woodpecka39 wrote:CR250R is faster than a CRF450R I have personally raced on a dirt drag strip and my 1999 CR250R is faster than a 2009 CRF450R
lol. umm.. who cares about straight line speed? last time i checked motocross includes turns. which is where the 4 strokes shine. that and anything less than perfect conditions.
DJ_Diehl#777 wrote:Yeah, im gonna call Bullshit on that one...
my buddy has an 09 yzf450 and a 01 yz250 and in a straight line the 250 is actually faster. both bikes with stock gearing. but again, only in a straight line.
DJ call it bull shit I dont care. I got video of me beating all kinds of 450 dirt bikes and 450 four wheelrs all with some type of mod so call it whatever. You do realize that a CR250R weighs about 204 and pushes about 48 wheels horsepower stock where a CRF450R weights about 212 and pushes about 48 stock. So why and the heck couldnt I beat a 450? Old age? A CR500R from 86' can beat a bored and stroke banshee with nitrous or something. You aparently dont ride much because I work on all my bikes and others too, I run a small repair shop and I havent yet had a bike come through that would beat my bike. Call it whatever. Video's on youtube will also prove my point and its not always the bike its the rider but I ran enought passes with Jake to know my bike was faster than his 09'
woodpecka39 wrote:You aparently dont ride much because I work on all my bikes and others too
Easy kid, don't get your ovaries in a twist just because i challenged your statement. Show some intelligence by communicating tactfully and proving your point without throwing insults at people.
woodpecka39 wrote:I run a small repair shop and I havent yet had a bike come through that would beat my bike.
Oh yeah, and im calling bullshit on that one too...
damn, stuff is heating up beatween you to, keep going i want to see an internet war, just kidding
Heres something you guys should do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc
DJ and DJ whatever the heck your name is. My dad helps me run the shop me and him repair the bikes and I do alot of the work because he has a full time job so whatever you fellas think I call bull shit on ya'll.
last year i raced a 250f and a 450f, this year i went back to a 250 2 stroke
250f slowest obviously
the 250 FEELS like it pulls as hard as the 450.. but im prety confident is does not. it falls flat waaaay quicker causing you to shift a lot more on the 2 stroke.
the 450 destroys a 250 2 stroke on bottom, especially because they hook up, tons of traction all day on the 450. 250 cant get the power to the ground like the 450 can.
i agree that if a 450 was ever put into the game, it SHOULD be "too fast" for these tracks. I haven't been to 1 track that I used all my power of a 450 to get over a jump. I always jumped every jump on both bikes with the exception of a few things right out of corners. If you hop on a 450 and ride it like a 250f, youll be in the hospital. I loved riding the 250f after the 450 because you just hammered it and held it WFO... cant do that on the 450.
Just watch the pros ride, lites riders are workin there baby fat off climbing those hills on the 250fs and then the vets on the big bikes are power down till the top then they eas out before the jumps and what not.
Oh and for your guys that remember me..... yes im still alive and obviously i still check in
Props to JLV on the progress, man it really has came along way!
Rideblue Thanks man thats what I was saying only in a straight line. A new thumper would whoop a on dinosaur any day on the track if properly ridden. I do run a small repair shop if you fellas dont believe me.
You guys are forgetting something. What about the 450 two strokes? I get that 250 and 450F run in the same class, but it's still silly to talk about which one is faster. It's like someone saying, "I bet you my 427 Camaro is faster than your 340 Challenger!" Well yeah, it's going to be. Only an idiot would think it's right to put the two in a race, unless the 340 was just THAT much better of an engine (it's not). But Camaro man HAS to have it that way, because he knows he can't beat the Challenger if it's got a 426 Hemi.
Maybe this analogy sounds silly (and GM people, don't go nuts on me), but that's the point. Motocross is the only sport I know of that has a displacement handicap of any kind. No one else puts antiquated technology on displacement welfare, except MX/SX.
However, all that is beside the point, which is 250s and 450Fs in the game. I think it's absolutely necessary. A racing game with only one class seems kind of silly. Can you imagine the uproar that would ensue if Forza 3 had shipped with only four-wheel-drive vehicles? People would be begging for some variety, and it'd be the number-one requested thing in the community. Just as it is here! What is the one thing that has a new topic created every couple weeks, and everyone always says "Oh, not again!" It's the request for more racing classes. That means that the players, the community, and the paying customers want this feature. Now, I'm not a businessman by trade, but I have the intuition that the road to glory in video game development does not include ignoring consumer feedback. I think the idea of waiting until everything else is perfect before releasing 450Fs is silly. That's Duke Nukem Forever thinking. Can you imagine if Henry Ford was trying to get the drag coefficient down to no more than 0.28, before bothering with designing an engine for his car? First things first here, half of the sport of motocross is conspicuously missing from the simulator. It's a game with only one level.
Give me more power.
Give me more handling.
Give me more style.
Give me more Maico.
If you have ever seen some of the lap times at nationals the 250fs are actually faster than the 450's sometimes. I know at MxDn 2007 in Budds Creek RV2 was 3 seconds faster than the 450''s.
JETZcorp wrote:Motocross is the only sport I know of that has a displacement handicap of any kind. No one else puts antiquated technology on displacement welfare, except MX/SX.
You couldn't be more wrong. Displacement, in motorcycle engines, refers to the amount of air displaced during one firing sequence. We both know that two stroked fire every revolution, and four strokes fire every other revolution. So for every 449cc the 450 four stroke displaces in that same time period a 250 two stroke displaces 498cc of air. Which bike has an advantage again? That's right, the one that burns the fuel more efficiently. Don't go hatin on four strokes because you need to mix oil with your gas or else your bike will lock up.
